p0lyph0ny (July 28, 2008 at 6:18 am)

Have you read Slavoj Zizek on Schumann? He's quite interesting as well.

PaulMurphyJazzDrum (July 26, 2008 at 1:10 pm)

i love to LISTEN as much as i love to play.paul.

floorembden (May 26, 2008 at 9:06 pm)

Messiaen : exploration de couleurs et de formes inouies... Prolongement et illustration des chemins de Messiaen, sur le web : "site du partenariat radio classique messiaen" - (ouvrez la 2ème entrée pour lire le texte en supplément): une classe d'élèves de première explore très sensiblement l'extension (expansion) de cet univers via les chemins ornithologiques...(excuse my french, my english is bad)

melissalemire (March 26, 2008 at 6:33 pm)

Boulez est un minable sans public qui a été nourri, subventionné et porté à bout de bras par un autre minable de classe internationale : Jacques Chirac. Point final. Il n'y a rien d'autre à dire et encore moins à écouter !Ce "compositeur", devenu officiel et obligatoire par décret du roi Jacques, n'est qu'un pauvre type pathétique que seule une poignée d'étudiants en musicologie fait semblant d'apprécier.

lovesGenet (January 28, 2008 at 10:15 pm)

Imust findAdorno on schumann .There must be something to him he is well respected .

egapnala65 (December 12, 2007 at 11:46 pm)

I, again, would totally agree which is why I would call Schoenberg an evolutionary.Sadly all these various other composer's ideas (including the likes of Busoni, Ives et al) were declared to be redundant by the historicist Hegelian nonsense of Adorno, who Boulez appears to have been very uncritical of.

bwhahrhr (December 12, 2007 at 6:09 pm)

I think we have a diffrent perception of how 'Boulez and Co.' worked but I actualy did not ment Hauer (eventhough his atonal music predated Schoenberg - he didnt have "followers" tho...)but was actualy refering to Wagner, Reger, Liszt and co. They broke up 'tonality' to a point where others could start to develop something new in my opinion (:

egapnala65 (December 12, 2007 at 10:58 am)

Perhaps if Boulez and co. had not been so caught up in their worship and dismissal of everything pre-Schoenberg as "cliche" they may have actually gone back to figures like Ockeghem, Dufay and learned the same lessons in concentration from them.

egapnala65 (December 12, 2007 at 10:53 am)

I take it you are referring to Hauer (sp?)? I would agree with you totally.I am also aware that Schoenberg was not so much an revolutionary than an evolutionary but if we are to accept the argument on it's own terms then Schoenberg still strikes me as the principle generating machine of this merry band.I,obviously, agree that Webern's music was a bigger DIRECT influence on the next generation but simply question his "revolutionary" status.

bwhahrhr (December 12, 2007 at 2:50 am)

egapnala65: schönberg wasnt the inventor - he was the one that got away with claiming to be the inventor. ;)to me weberns aproach is just a continuation of the already very formal atonal music. Schönberg himself played with Rennaisence / baroque composing techniqes but weber condensed it even more. wich eventualy lead to messian's, boulez's and stockhausens early composing formalities.