JohnEpi1973 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"ultimately, if you learn, you learn from the one God allows you to learn from. everything depends on God's grace, and our own efforts".One of the best comments i've read on M.Arts.I'm learning from a damn good Sifu , but , what bhibatsu said is the ultimate truth. I may may not agree on who's best in teaching on this art but your honest opinion is "on the money ! " . Nice up man !

bhibatsu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

interesting. i dont see any guy cofie stuff and nino is not on my list of the best. you mentioned 2 of them, the other 2 dont teach the public. ultimately, if you learn, you learn from the one God allows you to learn from. everything depends on God's grace, and our own efforts, and in that order.wc teaching is a business, and most who teach it dont have good kung fu. of those who do have and do teach, they dont teach you everything just becuase you pay a monthly fee. & that's only fair.

bknives (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I agree with you absolutely. Who are the four sifus you mention? I would say Nino Bernardo, Guy Cofie, Gary Lam and Wan Kam Leung, With Wan and Nino being difficult schools to start attending and the two others being the best in the world by far

bhibatsu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"a thousand fools are not worth even 1 wise man" Kuatilya aka Chanakya pandit.quantity does not equal quality.

Thedreamshaperabc (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

What a load of crap, no offence intended :)Our predecessors in Wing Tsun where men and women just like us. Now there is 1.000.000 in the Leung Ting system, and more when others systems are added. Surely such a number will make for many very, very smart people. Who will contribute to our system.I see a bright future :)

bhibatsu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

to the world as with many arts that are disappearing. Each generation grows softer and weaker, sometimes a son does not want to inherit a style and pass on the teachings. Maintaining quality means less quantity of students. There are only 4 WC sifus left in the world that are worth a damn and only 2 of them may be willing to teach anyone, with conditions. Wan is in great shape for his age but his power years are long gone. I will repay his kindness and show the world the power he once had.

bhibatsu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

WKL's WC has greatly changed from his earlier teaching years compared with now. Everyone's ego likes to think they are constantly improving, whereas fact is sometimes people lose skill, knowledge, and usually simply lose power due to old age or techniques change due to lack of practice or change in priorities (quality vs quantity). the beauty of wing chun is still skill over brawn, speed and grace over muscle. angles and leverage in every move = great power. Most of WC has already been lost

bhibatsu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I learned Fat Shan (closed door) Wing Chun from my parents before learn from Wan for 8 years. Even HK style and Wong Shen Leung style is already greatly adultereated from original Fat Shan WC, which is where WC originated from in case you didnt know. However, gravity and physics do not change though the height/weight/body/personality of the practitioner does. So the principles are singular in all 4, Fat Shan, HK, WSL, and WKL styles of Wing Chun, but the applications are different.

Tianshou88 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

nice yiddish. i agree with what youve said also. =p

narayanr (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Alright, I guess I'm going 'meshugga' over here (LOL)! So why did I make the last statement?Because all of Wing Chun, nay, all of Kung Fu (in general, and as a rule-of-thumb) has to do with a Human-Being's full range of motion as it applies to any and all potentially combative situations that may or may not occur. This being so, we will always have room to expand and grow!