wemallards (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"Raiding the temple was a very tense moment" DOH! That's like saying "Robbing the 24 year old blonde's virginity was quite a tense moment"That was a sacred building to the people and nobody had the right to enter.

mango32tube (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"Very Homely Looking", how rude! I am not FLDS, but I think these people worked hard to turn solid rock to fields, etc. They are not all wackos, I can't believe we will let Gay Marriage happen, but a man can't have more than one wife! I understand though that she needs to be over 18 before she gets married, then I have no problem with it.

bsl103158 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i continue to speak with women that were in this group years ago.this raid was definitely needed; most recent person i have been speaking with helped compile missing persons paperwork dealing with flds members whose deaths were suspicious or who have not been seen for a long time..she and colleagues were hoping Texas would organize some kind of search long before this took place,based on that missing persons list. There are layers of deceit with this group.

bsl103158 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

you MUST understand that this groups is a very high-control group with extreme rules, and the people are terrified to testify- it can result in serious retribution for themselvees and relatives -- these polygamist groups are NOT what you'd want your own kids to deal with, trust me. read some of the books by ex-members

coverchenko (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

yeah i agree. when people see things like this they automatically want to use it to try and attack the goverment without even looking at the other side of the story. if they even knew what it was like in there they would be singing a different tune. the same thing happened at Waco. they thought the ATF were a bunch of nazis that just wanted to kill civilians when in reality the branch dividians were the first to shoot and they knew they were shooting cops. thats what really pisses me off.

bsl103158 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i speak frequently with a few ex-fundamentalist people from these groups - they verify what Texas/cps surmised- that is, there's pretty horrendous stuff going on in the flds and related groups. the only way I can see why some in the general public are still defending these folks is that the general public has not done the research some have(i have spent maybe 3500 or more hours reading about flds,etc, and that is modest compared with the investigators and authors covering these things

coverchenko (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

it is all about control. the men in charge used brainwashing to control their victims and then physically force them to stay. they sexually abuse children and then are able to hide it because the idea of the compound is to cut it off from the outside so that the victims have no where to run.

imikewillrockyou (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I'm no defender of the FLDS faith, just their right to practice it. If someone has committed a criminal act then by all means prosecute them. However, kidnapping ALL the children from their mothers because the state thinks someone might be breaking a law is absurd. And thank God the court understood that. Those "abused" mothers claim they are happy, they have cars, phones and they read and write. Many FLDS leave and many return also. They are not prisoners it's their home.

bsl103158 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i did hear a little about it on conservative radio- big trouble here is flds records are falsified to appear they are within state laws, cps was lied to so many times it wasn't possible to do this right. Right now these people say their kids know nothing of body parts, etc. that is prob. true. They make them that way until they are forced into child marriage at puberty, then taught to accept sex with often far older males as way to make it to heaven..abnormal births common, hidden,etc.

bsl103158 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

normally flds refuse to testify due to fear of retribution against family and being cast out. Oh yes, this cult is rife with abuse according to numerous ex-members.they fear their leaders as gods.